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The Church is the body of Christ. If you are faithful to "The Church" by default you are being faithful to Christ.

That's what Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses say - they don't believe in the Trinity either.

Over the last week or so I was thinking about the stunning theology of Seventh-day Adventism... ....Which was birthed by the incantations of the SDA Pioneers & confirmed by Ellen White. ....The stunning revelation I came to is this: Had Ellen White's Lucifierian hypothetical of Christ sinning...

I'm sorry Rob but you are so far off the map it would be pointless to continue this conversation with you. I wish the best for you.

You say it was impossible for Jesus to break faith off with "this" Father and thus sin.... ...Immediately after that you say "IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE". ...Because "the Son of Deity, like humans & angels, had / has free will". All stop Rob, my question isn't about your anti-Trinitarianism...

No, I only want you to admit that Scripture SHOUTS that it was impossible for Christ to sin, loose His Salvation and eternally cease to exist. I'm saying that when Ellen said that Ellen was wrong. Rob, when you prophet started out her Christian journey as a Baptized Trinitarian then converts to...

I did read it, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how the SDA Church works... ...Ellen White didn't create or invent any SDA distinctive doctrines. ....She affirmed or validated the doctrines the Pioneers fabricated. Because the SDA Church Pioneers were "ARIAN" they promulgated Arian...

Where did you answer? I shown you where the Bible repeatedly said failure was IMPOSSIBLE... ...I've shown you repeatedly where Ellen White said failure WAS possible. ...I asked you where you find justification Ellen was right and God was wrong. Trinity aside Rob, for the sake of argument I'm...

Rob, you didn't answer the question, the same one you've been dodging. Why do you reject what God calls impossible in favor of what a woman who lived in the 19th century said was possible? "Immanent Trinity" or "Trinitas ad intra" means the same thing. Don't worry about terms which...

The word ontological comes from the Greek word "ontos" which mean "being" - the word refers to what God is, in God's internal Nature. In Christianity the Son is "consubstantial" with the Father, true God from true God. The Son isn't a percentage of God such as Ellen White gloated where the Son...

She most certainly did say that. Ellen claimed that Christ, had he sinned, would have rotted in the tomb to NEVER wake up again. Ellen taught that the Divine and Human Natures of Christ were MIXED / Blended so that they (the two natures of Christ) became one. Mixing / blending the two natures...

For you and I and the readers of this thread YES, you are independent of me and everyone else. The Son is not independent of the Father or the Holy Spirit, or any other combination. The Father, Son & Holy Spirit are Ontologically One God - not three independent Beings as Ellen White taught. You...

I'm talking to you. I'd be happy to do that Rob but we have to have a starting point and if we can't agree on the most basic of God's attributes it's pointless to leap over the basics and start exchanging beliefs apart from a common starting point. This is why I'm insisting we start on a...

Snap out of it Rob, please. I and anyone else reading this KNOW you are not Trinitarian. It's pointless for you to try to articulate why you don't agree with the Nicene Creed / Trinity Doctrine. I have acknowledged this very openly and directly. So PLEASE STOP. Your task is simply to explain...

Rob, I'm not a member of the CCC (Celestial Church of Christ). I think you thought that sect stood for the Catechism of the Catholic Church. It doesn't. In any event you misunderstood what the Celestial Church of Christ was saying - if you read their fundamental beliefs you will see that they...

Seventh-day Adventists are less sola Scriptura than are Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholics... ...You are not sola-scriptura Rob, that's seriously laughable. ...Lutherans would laugh at your outlandish statement. SDA distinctive Doctrines were all based upon the supposed visions of Ellen...

Rob, post # 7 in the creature-christ thread you participated in has several Scriptures which attest to what I've maintained. Feel free to take issue with any one of them. https://adventist.forum/threads/the-arian-creature-christ-teaching-how-do-seventh-day-adventists-define-it.956/ Like the...

I already know you don't believe the Son is God in the same way the Father is God... ...So your saying - Michael the archangel became man & because Lucifer could sin. ....Obviously Jesus could sin as Michael exchanged his angel nature for human. I understand that that's all historic Adventism...

All stop Rob. The Great God of Heaven said (in Daniel 2) that failure was impossible... ...Ellen White claimed failure WAS possible. ...Why do you take Ellen's position over God?

No Rob, the founding SDA's had no concept of Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic word meanings - to a large degree this is what caused you to end up with the type of theology you have. I have Rob, you just don't like the answers. It's a very simple straightforward solution - you provide me why and how...